Testimony for Hearing before Committee on Foreign Affairs’ Subcommittee on International Organizations, Human Rights and Oversight

Congressman Bill Delahunt

“Diplomatic Assurances’ on Torture:  A Case Study of Why Some Are Accepted and Others Rejected”

November 15, 2007

 

In 1977 I interviewed  two of the most deadly terrorists of the twentieth century, Luis Posada and Orlando Bosch in a Venezuelan prison.  I had a tape recorder.

 

Between them, they had orchestrated hundreds of bombings and assassinations. They were being held in connection with the bombing of a civilian Cubana Airline plane that had killed 73 civilians five months earlier in October 1976.

 

 

 “How did you get in here?” Bosch asked me suspiciously. When I told him, Bosch seemed happy for the chance to tell his story to a foreign reporter. He took me into his well-appointed cell and introduced me to Luis Posada, a long-time ally and cellmate.

 

“Would you like a cigar?” Luis Posada asked me. “America may have an embargo against Cuban cigars, but we don’t.”

 

They were extremely angry and felt betrayed. The Venezuelans and the CIA had locked them away to keep them silent. Over the din of homemade drums in a nearby courtyard, they poured out their story for more than six hours.

 

I realized that I was being given an extraordinary opportunity that few journalists would ever have - an extended, taped interview with terrorists who proudly bragged of their complicity in hundreds of murders, bombings and assassinations throughout the world, supported and financed, and sometimes betrayed, by state-sponsored nefarious secret agencies, including the CIA.

 

“I was on a CIA draw of $300 plus all expenses,” Posada bragged to me.  “The CIA helped me set up my detective agency from which we planned actions.” “Actions” was a code word that Posada used to describe bombings and assassinations. They spoke about the murder of two Cuban diplomats in Argentina, the bombing of the Mexican embassy in Buenos Aires, the bombings of the Air Panama office in Bogotá, the Cubana Airlines office in Panama and, finally, the Cubana Airlines bombing which killed 73 civilians.

 

“It is true,” Bosch and Posada told me. “We had a great meeting in the Bonao mountains in Dominican Republic... Plotting bombings and killings. Everything was planned there.”

 

The meeting was to coordinate all terrorist actions in the hemisphere. Both men were proud of what they had accomplished.  Hernan Ricardo, who worked for Posada’s detective agency, was arrested in Trinidad and confessed to planting the bomb on the civilian airliner to the Trinidad Police chief. The night before he had met with Bosch and Posada in the lobby of the very same Aunaco Hilton in Caracas where I was staying.

 

 

Back at the Hilton, I was feeling a little nervous and called Eugene Propper, the Assistant US Attorney in Washington, who was investigating the Orlando  Letelier murder in Washington, D.C.   He couldn’t believe I had the taped interview. He told me to sit tight and that he would get right back to me. Within a few moments he was on the phone again and seemed scared.  “The CIA told the secret police everything. They are out to get you. You are in great danger.”

 

I asked Propper if I should go back to the Embassy. He told me that he thought that would be the worst place for me to go. “I have no power down there. You are on your own.”

 

We were both aware of the reputation of the notorious secret police and their Death Squads that had caused the disappearance and murder of hundreds of dissidents, politicians and journalists over the last few years. “Get out of there” he told me in no uncertain terms. “You are not safe.”

 

I later learned that the secret police had indeed issued an arrest warrant for me and were closely watching the airports and ports. US Ambassador Viron Vaky had learned of my interview and, instead of rejoicing over its potential for assisting in Propper’s anti-terrorism investigation, he was not happy. Venezuelan President Perez had personally ordered his secret police to arrest me. Then, the Venezuelan government sent a formal protest to the US Embassy claiming that I was a CIA agent working with Propper. The CIA and Propper were clearly on opposites sides, but that didn’t stop the Venezuelan government from declaring that my interview was a “breach of faith” between the US and Venezuela. Back in the US, I let Propper copy my tapes which he then used to question Cuban suspects in the Letelier investigation. I published the interview in New Times Magazine and it caused a certain stir in the Miami Cuban community, as well as political upheaval in Central and South America.

 

In September of 2005 I offered this information, notes and tapes, to the Department of Homeland Security.

 

I was contacted by Jo Ellen Ardinger, an attorney with DHS. She seemed excited by my information and phoned and emailed me. She told me that this information was exactly what the US government needed to prevent Luis Posada from entering the US. The information would help make the case that he was a terrorist.

 

She asked me if I was willing to testify. I said that I was.

 

There was a trial on these matters in Texas a few months later and I waited for the Department of Homeland Security to get back to me to ask for my notes and tapes.

 

They never did.